As crazy as it sounds, some good might eventually come out of the widespread abuse of heroin and other opioids currently plaguing Vermont and New Hampshire.

With the drug problem having reached our backyard, we might actually stop treating substance abusers and street-level dealers as criminals. Saddling people with criminal records for nonviolent drug offenses could become a thing of the past.

โ€œParents donโ€™t want their kids getting locked up. They want treatment,โ€ said Jeremy Haile, an attorney with The Sentencing Project, a Washington nonprofit organization at the forefront of criminal justice reform.

On Friday, Haile spoke at a Vermont Law School symposium called โ€œCriminal Culpability: Who Deserves Punishment?โ€ The event was organized by VLS students who work on Vermont Law Review, the schoolโ€™s legal journal.

The featured speakers, mostly law professors from around the country, focused on the national picture. But much of what they talked about easily could be applied to Vermont and New Hampshire, where drug-related deaths now surpass the number of traffic deaths each year.

The symposium provided a good history lesson that helps explain how the U.S. now has a half-million people locked up for drug offenses.

In the 1980s, Congress enacted tough drug laws, including mandatory sentences, that targeted crack cocaine users and dealers. (University of Maryland basketball star Len Biasโ€™ death from a crack overdose in 1986, two days after he was picked No. 2 in the NBA draft by the Boston Celtics, played a big part.)

Mark Osler, who teaches at University of St. Thomas School of Law in Minnesota, grew up in Detroit and was a federal prosecutor there from 1995 to 2000.

โ€œThe problem weโ€™re discussing, I played a role in causing,โ€ he told the VLS audience of 150 or so.

Osler counts himself among the prosecutors who believed that America could incarcerate its way out of its drug problem. โ€œWe were wrong, of course,โ€ he said. โ€œWe have chosen moralism over problem solving.โ€

Prosecutors are fond of telling judges and jurors that drug dealers must be locked up because they are โ€œpoison in our community,โ€ Osler said. โ€œWe could say the same about fast-food joints and casinos.โ€

Ekow Yankah, a professor at Cardozo School of Law in New York, pointed out that crack has long been viewed as โ€œthe black drugโ€ that infects only minority communities.

Except for making a lot arrests and putting people behind bars for long stretches, โ€œwe did nothing about it,โ€ he said.

But the opioid crisis is different. โ€œItโ€™s hit white and rural America,โ€ Yankah said. โ€œNow, we have police chiefs saying, โ€˜Something has changed. We have to see drug addicts as people.โ€™ โ€

Having President Obama on board hasnโ€™t hurt. Following through on a 2014 Justice Department initiative to reduce punishments for low-level drug offenders who had been imprisoned for years, Obama has commuted the sentences of 562 people. Thatโ€™s more than the last nine presidents combined.

โ€œThereโ€™s always a chance that tough-on-crime days come back,โ€ warned Haile, the attorney with The Sentencing Project.

And it might not even take the election of you-know-who. (Sorry, I promised my wife that Iโ€™d never bring up his name in public.)

โ€œThe system is driven by prosecutors who are happy to keep locking people up,โ€ Yankah said.

And what does Bobby Sand, who spent 15 years as Windsor County stateโ€™s attorney and now teaches at VLS, say to that?

โ€œProsecutors measure their success by the duration of the sentence that is imposed โ€” how many pounds of flesh they can extract,โ€ said Sand, the moderator for Friday morningโ€™s discussion, when we talked during a break.

Some people argue that both states already have made substantial progress in recent years. They point to reduced prison populations and the advent of drug courts designed to give substance abusers second chances.

But in the Upper Valley, you only have to look at the mug shots and news releases on the websites of the Hartford and Lebanon police departments to see that the war on drugs continues โ€” as futile as it might be.

I donโ€™t blame prosecutors and police. Making arrests and locking people up are what legislators and other policymakers have ordered them to do.

Too many law-and-order types still donโ€™t seem to grasp, as Haile put it, that โ€œlower-level dealers are easily replaced.โ€ If a community has four dealers, and two of them get arrested, it doesnโ€™t mean youโ€™ve cut your drug problem in half. (What it often means is that when a drug dealer gets out of prison, he goes back to his old ways because he has a hard time finding a decent job with a criminal record.)

โ€œNarcotics is a market driven by demand,โ€ said Osler, the University of St. Thomas professor. โ€œWeโ€™re the worldโ€™s leading consumer of recreational drugs.

โ€œAmericans like drugs.โ€

Thatโ€™s a serious public health problem, which has very little to do with criminal justice.